New 17.6

Dyna-Ski Boats is announcing a special model of boat at a special price. I have had a ton of calls about the availability of a "bare" 17.6 model similiar to the old 18' Hydrodynes.

SO you can now purchase a 17.6 XB with a bucket seat and passenger bench seat along with the fuel tank for $8999.00. No windshield or steering just lights and a rub rail. Plain and simple kind of a "kit" boat so to speak. Boat has our 5 year warranty.
Boat is rated for 150 hp.

In the near future you will see the web site will have a bunch of changes also including this special price.

<a href="http://www.dyna-ski.com" target="_blank">www.dyna-ski.com</a>

PJP

ps The owner of the 18' mold told me there is not going to be any new 18' boats built. Too much hassle due to the Coast Guard regulations (his words not mine).

 

Re: New 17.6 for $8999.00

Pete,

Will Tom Miller be building any "new 18's" using Skips molds? There is one member on this site saying that " new 18's" are going to be made available, and if Skip isn't building anymore than who will be?? This has become a topic of confusion as of late. It seems like you are in the know, so hopefully you can help clear this up.

Bob

 

Re: New 17.6 for $8999.00

My current understanding is that Skip isn't going to build any 18' boats and won't let anyone use his mold. Skip worked for Ab Crosby, Sr long before Tom started making fiberglass picnic tables in the basement of the old school house. The old school house is where the outboard boats were built for many years.

I'm not sure why anyone would want the old 18' Hydrodynes or even a newly made 18' for several reasons including the following.

The Coast Guard figures horsepower as follows:

Boat length times width (in feet) times 2 - 90 so the 18' (boat) times 6' = 180 times 2 = 216 subtract 90 = 126 hp.

The 17.6 XB works out at 17.5 times 7 = 122.5 times 2 = 245 minus 90 = 155 hp.

The 20' would be 20 times 7 = 140 times 2 = 280 minus 90 = 190 hp.

However if the boat is over 20' then the horsepower is unlimited. Remember the length needs to be over 20' for the unlimited horsepower rating. So indeed the old 20' Hydrodynes aren't really 20' let alone over 20' so legally they are over powered with a 200 hp motor let alone twins!

The insurance man can be an even bigger problem than the Coast Guard or DNR, have an accident with an over powered boat and they may not pay. Many marinas will not work on an overpowered boat either so beware!

The 17.6 handles much better than the old 18' with a much dryer ride along with many more creature comforts.

PJP

 

Re: New 17.6 for $8999.00

I made an oops on the figures for the 18.

They should be 18 times 6 = 108 time 2 = 216 minus 90 = 126.

Sorry, I'm a lousy typer.

PJP

 

Re: New 17.6 for $8999.00

Who figured out the "science" for the horsepower limitation? I work for a unit of government, so I understand how the wonks that create policy do their thing, but that formula was created a long time ago. Given today's manufacturing methods, materials, and hull technology, not to mention engine control systems, safer fuel systems, and on and on. Where is the evolution in the regs for the new versus the old?

 

Re: New 17.6 for $8999.00

The maximum capacity plate on my '78 (w/ 200hp Evinrude) says 300 horsepower. The insurance company accepts this with out any fuss.

I've never had a marina refuse to work on my boat.

I've been pulled over by Illinois/Wisconsin/Georgia DNR and not once have I been asked if the engine was too large for the boat (usually it's "Have you been drinking?" and/or "Do you have enough flotation devices?")

I guess the sky is not falling after all and I can stick with my 30 year old, no windshield, wet riding, no creature-comfort, dependable workhorse.

I guess I'm just a wierdo for wanting my Hydrodyne!

 

Re: New 17.6 for $8999.00

Just want to clear up any confusion. Skip NEVER worked for my dad (Ab Sr.) He was a school mate of our oldest son and a neighbor. My dad took Skip under his wing and answered a lot of questions about boats and boating. Skip is a knowledgeable young man who has worked in fiberglass for a long time. He acquired the 18' mold from my brother Ab Jr., because he wanted to make an 18' for himself. He has worked for Tom off and on and has his own small fiberglass business. He had a short and unsatisfactory business relationship with PJP and is now making Amish buggies.
Mr Pfankoff is very mistaken about Dyna-Ski (before 2005, Hydrodyne and the Crosby family. He has had no direct connection with Hydrodyne ever. And sold Dyna-Ski boats for Fiberglass Products, until we severed that business relationship.
If anyone requires info about Hydrodyne, The Dyne, and Dyna-Ski (before 2005) please contact me.
Bev Crosby Miller

 

Re: New 17.6 for $8999.00

Skip knows a lot more about boats that most folks ever will. Skip was not comfortable suppling the numbers of boats that we are capable of selling so we agreed to part company, call him and ask him if you like. Skip helped us with ideas for our new deck molds and boats in general. Skip used to work for Tom Miller until they parted company on very bad terms, Skip's words not mine. Again ask Skip if you like.

What Mrs Miller also failed to mention is that Tom Miller was sued for breach of contract and settled out of court after draging out the law suit for four years. They paid all the attorney fees and more, although I suspect they will never admit it.

Dyna-Ski builds a much better quality product now then the builder of our boats in the past did so we now back all the new boats with a 5 year warranty. No warranty in the past and doubt if there is one now on the TM built boats.

I'm glad I'm not the one that determines how the Coast Guard does things and I knew that there would be plenty of comments on the subject. But consider yourselves informed on the subject.

Also remember that when the horsepower rules were written the outboard motors were rated at the crank shaft and not at the prop as they currently are. When I repowered my personal 17.6 with a new 150 the speed picked up by 7 mph or so.

As a manufacturer the horsepower rating system is one of the more important rules that we have to follow. Another real important rule is floation. If you are not greater than 20' in length you have to have enough floation in the boat to float it. Look thru the Coast Guard rules about floatation if your like. The old 18' & 20' Hydrodynes seem to be lacking in that department. I don't think that there is enough in my 1987 Hydrodyne 17.6 and I hope to never find out. Dyna-Ski puts floatation in all our boats including the 20'+ models, I don't think other folks put it in their (almost) 20' so buyer beware.

Since it is very unlike there will be any new 18' unless Dyna-Ski builds them (never say never) perhaps it is time to put that issue to rest again. I do have an 18' available to use as a basis for a new model along with an old 24' deck boat. The old deck boats are a foot wider than the 17.6 & 20' models and 2 feet wider than the old 18' boats. But no plans as of today to do anything with either.

Todd at Twin Lakes Marine does sell Dyna-Ski boats. He sold a lot of Hydrodynes in the past. Call him and ask him what he thinks or better yet arrange to have a test ride in one of the new Dyna-Ski boats he has in stock.

There are several new dealers planned for next season so we are growing. If you want one better not sit on your hands because we won't be able to build them fast enough soon.

PJP